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דף 55

Gittin 54a

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וְאֵין מוֹנִין לְשַׁבָּתוֹת.
But they do not count from Shabbat, as there is no significance to the day of the week on which the tree was planted, and consequently no one remembers that the tree was planted on Shabbat.
но не считают субботы [т.е. подсчёт возраста дерева зависит от года шмиты, поэтому если оставить, это приведёт к ошибке].
דָּבָר אַחֵר: נֶחְשְׁדוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל עַל הַשְּׁבִיעִית, וְלֹא נֶחְשְׁדוּ עַל הַשַּׁבָּתוֹת.
Alternatively, the difference between Shabbat and the Sabbatical Year can be explained as follows: Jews are suspected of desecrating the Sabbatical Year, but they are not suspected of desecrating Shabbat. Therefore, Rabbi Meir imposes a penalty for the unintentional desecration of the Sabbatical Year, but he imposes no such penalty for the unintentional desecration of Shabbat.
Другое объяснение: евреи подозреваются [в нарушении] года шмиты, но не подозреваются [в нарушении] суббот.
מַאי ״דָּבָר אַחֵר״? הָכִי קָאָמַר: וְכִי תֵּימָא שַׁבָּת נָמֵי, זִימְנִין דְּמִיקְּלַע יוֹם שְׁלֹשִׁים – בְּשַׁבָּת, דְּאִי נָטַע הַהוּא יוֹמָא הוּא דְּסָלְקָא לֵיהּ שַׁתָּא, וְאִי לָא – לָא סָלְקָא לֵיהּ שַׁתָּא,
The Gemara asks: What is the point of Rabbi Meir adding the second reason, introduced with the term alternatively? The Gemara answers: This is what Rabbi Meir is saying: And if you would say to contest the first reason: Jews also count from Shabbat, and unless the tree is uprooted, people will remember that it was planted on Shabbat, as at times the thirtieth day before Rosh HaShana falls on Shabbat. As, if he planted the tree on that day, the time from when he planted it counts for him as a full year with regard to the prohibition of fruit that grows during the first three years after the tree was planted. And if he did not plant it on that Shabbat, but rather on the next day, the twenty-ninth day before Rosh HaShana, it does not count for him as a full year. In such a case people will remember that the tree was planted on Shabbat, and they might come to think that planting a tree on Shabbat is permitted.
К чему «другое объяснение»? Вот что имеется в виду: если бы ты сказал, что и в субботу тоже [следует вырвать], ведь иногда тридцатый день [перед Рош ѓа-Шана] выпадает на субботу, и если он посадит в тот день — это засчитается ему как год [для счёта орла], а если нет — не засчитается,
תָּא שְׁמַע דָּבָר אַחֵר: נֶחְשְׁדוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל עַל הַשְּׁבִיעִית, וְלֹא נֶחְשְׁדוּ עַל הַשַּׁבָּתוֹת.
Consequently, Rabbi Meir adds: Come and hear that alternatively, the difference between Shabbat and the Sabbatical Year can be explained as follows: Jews are suspected of desecrating the Sabbatical Year, but they are not suspected of desecrating Shabbat. Therefore, Rabbi Meir imposes a penalty for the unintentional desecration of the Sabbatical Year, but not for the unintentional desecration of Shabbat.
[на это] приди и послушай другое объяснение: евреи подозреваются [в нарушении] года шмиты, но не подозреваются [в нарушении] суббот.
דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אַדְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה לָא קַשְׁיָא – בְּאַתְרֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה חֲמִירָא לְהוּ שְׁבִיעִית.
The Gemara continues: And there is also no contradiction between one statement of Rabbi Yehuda with regard to the Sabbatical Year and the other statement of Rabbi Yehuda with regard to Shabbat. This is because in Rabbi Yehuda’s place the prohibition against desecrating the Sabbatical Year was regarded by them as a most serious one, and therefore there was no need to impose a penalty for its unintentional desecration, although it is a Torah law.
[Слова] рабби Йеѓуды с [другими словами] рабби Йеѓуды — нет противоречия: в местности рабби Йеѓуды [заповедь] шмиты была для них более строгой.
דְּהָהוּא דַּאֲמַר לֵיהּ לַחֲבֵירוֹ: דַּיָּיר בַּר דַּיָּירְתָּא! אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנָא לָא אָכְלִי פֵּירֵי דִשְׁבִיעִית כְּווֹתָךְ.
The Gemara adduces proof that this is true: It once happened that there was a certain person who said to another to insult him: Convert [dayyar], son of a convert. In anger the second person said to the first in response: At least I don’t eat produce of the Sabbatical Year as you do. This indicates that the Sabbatical Year was treated in that place as a very serious prohibition; therefore, Rabbi Yehuda deemed it unnecessary to impose a penalty for its unintentional desecration.
[Был случай:] один сказал другому: «Жилец, сын жилицы!» [т.е. гер]. Тот ответил ему: «Я не ем плоды шмиты, как ты!»
תָּא שְׁמַע: אָכַל תְּרוּמָה טְמֵאָה – מְשַׁלֵּם חוּלִּין טְהוֹרִין. שִׁילֵּם חוּלִּין טְמֵאִים, מַהוּ? אָמַר סוֹמְכוֹס מִשּׁוּם רַבִּי מֵאִיר: בְּשׁוֹגֵג – תַּשְׁלוּמָיו תַּשְׁלוּמִין, בְּמֵזִיד – אֵין תַּשְׁלוּמָיו תַּשְׁלוּמִין. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אֶחָד זֶה וְאֶחָד זֶה תַּשְׁלוּמָיו תַּשְׁלוּמִין, וְחוֹזֵר וּמְשַׁלֵּם חוּלִּין טְהוֹרִים.
The Gemara proceeds to discuss another apparent contradiction between rulings of Rabbi Meir with regard to penalties imposed for the unintentional transgression of a rabbinic law: Come and hear what was taught in a baraita (Tosefta, Terumot 7:7): If one partook of teruma,which is the property of a priest, and it was ritually impure, he pays restitution with ritually pure, non-sacred produce. What is the halakha if he paid restitution with ritually impure, non-sacred produce? Sumakhos said in the name of Rabbi Meir: If he paid restitution with ritually impure, non-sacred produce unintentionally, his payment is valid. But if he did so intentionally, his payment is not valid. And the Rabbis say: Although both in this case and in that case his payment is valid, the Sages imposed a penalty and said that he returns and pays restitution a second time with ritually pure, non-sacred produce.
Приди и послушай: [если кто-то] съел нечистую труму — платит чистыми обычными [плодами]. [Если] заплатил нечистыми обычными [плодами], каков закон? Сомхос от имени рабби Меира говорит: по неосторожности — его оплата считается оплатой; умышленно — его оплата не считается оплатой. А мудрецы говорят: и в том, и в другом случае его оплата считается оплатой, но он должен вновь заплатить чистыми обычными [плодами].
וְהָוֵינַן בַּהּ: בְּמֵזִיד – אַמַּאי אֵין תַּשְׁלוּמָיו תַּשְׁלוּמִין? תָּבֹא עָלָיו בְּרָכָה – דְּאָכֵיל מִינֵּיהּ מִידֵּי דְּלָא חֲזֵי לֵיהּ בִּימֵי טוּמְאָתוֹ, וְקָא מְשַׁלֵּם לֵיהּ מִידֵּי דַּחֲזֵי לֵיהּ בִּימֵי טוּמְאָתוֹ!
And we discussed the following question concerning the opinion of Rabbi Meir: In the case where he paid restitution with ritually impure, non-sacred produce intentionally, why is his payment not valid? On the contrary, blessing should come upon him, as he partook of something that is not fit for the priest to partake of even during the days of his impurity, since it is prohibited for a priest to partake of impure teruma, whether he himself is pure or impure, and he pays restitution to him with something, i.e., impure, non-sacred produce, which is at least fit for him to partake of during the days of his impurity.
И мы обсуждали: если умышленно — почему его оплата не считается оплатой? Пусть будет благословен — ведь он съел то, что [коѓен] не может есть во время своей нечистоты, а платит ему тем, что он может есть во время нечистоты!
וְאָמַר רָבָא, וְאָמְרִי לַהּ כְּדִי: חַסּוֹרֵי מְחַסְּרָא, וְהָכִי קָתָנֵי: אָכַל תְּרוּמָה טְמֵאָה – מְשַׁלֵּם כָּל דְּהוּ. אָכַל תְּרוּמָה טְהוֹרָה – מְשַׁלֵּם חוּלִּין טְהוֹרִים. שִׁילֵּם חוּלִּין טְמֵאִין, מַהוּ? סוֹמְכוֹס אוֹמֵר מִשּׁוּם רַבִּי מֵאִיר: בְּשׁוֹגֵג – תַּשְׁלוּמָיו תַּשְׁלוּמִין, בְּמֵזִיד – אֵין תַּשְׁלוּמָיו תַּשְׁלוּמִין. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אֶחָד זֶה וְאֶחָד זֶה – תַּשְׁלוּמָיו תַּשְׁלוּמִין, וְחוֹזֵר וּמְשַׁלֵּם חוּלִּין טְהוֹרִין.
And Rava said, and some say it is unattributed: The baraita is incomplete and this is what it is teaching: If one partook of ritually impure teruma, he can pay restitution with anything, even impure, non-sacred produce. If he partook of ritually pure teruma, he pays restitution with ritually pure, non-sacred produce. The baraita continues: What is the halakha if he paid restitution for ritually pure teruma with ritually impure, non-sacred produce? There is a tannaitic dispute about this. Sumakhos said in the name of Rabbi Meir: If he paid restitution with ritually impure, non-sacred produce unintentionally, his payment is valid. But if he did so intentionally, his payment is not valid. And the Rabbis say: Both in this case and in that case, his payment is valid, but the Sages imposed a penalty and said that he returns and pays restitution a second time with ritually pure, non-sacred produce.
И сказал Рава, а некоторые говорят — [это приводится] без указания автора: [барайта] неполная, и вот чему она учит: [если кто-то] съел нечистую труму — платит любым [плодом]. Съел чистую труму — платит чистыми обычными [плодами]. [Если] заплатил нечистыми обычными [плодами], каков закон? Сомхос от имени рабби Меира говорит: по неосторожности — его оплата считается оплатой; умышленно — не считается. А мудрецы говорят: и в том, и в другом случае — считается оплатой, но он должен вновь заплатить чистыми обычными [плодами].
וְאָמַר רַב אַחָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב אִיקָא: הָכָא בְּקָנְסוּ שׁוֹגֵג אַטּוּ מֵזִיד אִיכָּא בֵּינַיְיהוּ (דְּרַבִּי מֵאִיר סָבַר: לֹא קָנְסוּ שׁוֹגֵג אַטּוּ מֵזִיד, וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: קָנְסוּ)!
And Rav Aḥa, son of Rav Ika, said: Here, the practical difference between Rabbi Meir and the Rabbis relates to the question of whether or not the Sages penalized an unintentional offender due to an intentional offender. Rabbi Meir holds that they did not penalize an unintentional offender due to an intentional offender, and the Rabbis say that they penalized him. Consequently, Rabbi Meir does not impose a penalty for an unintentional transgression of a rabbinic law, as by Torah law one can pay restitution to a priest with anything if he partakes of teruma. This contradicts what was stated previously, that in the case of a violation of rabbinic law, Rabbi Meir imposes a penalty even for an unintentional offense.
И сказал Рав Аха, сын Рава Ики: здесь между ними [спор] о том, наложили ли штраф на неосторожного из-за умышленного (рабби Меир считает: не наложили штраф на неосторожного из-за умышленного; а мудрецы говорят: наложили)!
הָכִי הַשְׁתָּא?! הָתָם – גַּבְרָא לְשַׁלּוֹמֵי קָא מִיכַּוֵּין, אֲנַן נֵיקוּם וְלִיקְנְסֵיהּ?!
The Gemara answers: How can these cases be compared? There, the man intends to pay; should we arise and penalize him? It is specifically with regard to this case that Rabbi Meir holds that no penalty is imposed, as his mistake was made in the course of performing a laudatory action. By contrast, in cases where one rendered another’s produce impure and the like, there is a penalty, as the mistake was made while performing an action he should not have been performing.
Как можно это сравнивать?! Там — человек намеревается заплатить, и мы будем его штрафовать?!
תָּא שְׁמַע: דָּם שֶׁנִּטְמָא, וּזְרָקוֹ; בְּשׁוֹגֵג – הוּרְצָה, בְּמֵזִיד – לֹא הוּרְצָה.
The Gemara tries to bring proof concerning the previously stated opinion of Rabbi Meir that a penalty is imposed in a case of an unintentional transgression of a rabbinical law: Come and hear what was taught in a baraita: In the case of blood of an offering that became impure and a priest sprinkled it on the altar, if he did so unintentionally, the offering is accepted and achieves atonement for the owner of the offering. If he sprinkled the blood intentionally, the offering is not accepted. In any event, the tanna of this baraita did not penalize the unintentional offender due to an intentional offender, and this sprinkling of blood is prohibited by rabbinic law.
Приди и послушай: кровь [жертвы], которая стала нечистой, и он её окропил: по неосторожности — принята [жертва], умышленно — не принята.
אָמַר לָךְ רַבִּי מֵאִיר: הָכִי הַשְׁתָּא?! הָתָם – גַּבְרָא לְכַפּוֹרֵי קָא מְכַוֵּין, אֲנַן נֵיקוּם וְנִקְנְסֵיהּ?!
The Gemara answers: Rabbi Meir could have said to you: How can these cases be compared? There, the person intends to do a mitzva and atone; should we arise and penalize him? Here too, the mistake was made while performing a laudatory act. In such a case, even Rabbi Meir agrees that an unintentional offender is not penalized due to an intentional offender.
Рабби Меир скажет тебе: как можно это сравнивать?! Там — человек намеревается искупить [грех], и мы будем его штрафовать?!
תָּא שְׁמַע: הַמְעַשֵּׂר בַּשַּׁבָּת; בְּשׁוֹגֵג – יֹאכַל, בְּמֵזִיד – לֹא יֹאכַל. הָכִי הַשְׁתָּא?! הָתָם – גַּבְרָא לְתַקּוֹנֵי קָא מִיכַּוֵּין, אֲנַן לֵיקוּם וְלִיקְנְסֵיהּ?!
The Gemara attempts to adduce further proof: Come and hear what was taught in a mishna (Terumot 2:3): With regard to one who tithes produce on Shabbat, which is prohibited by rabbinic law because it appears as though he were repairing an article that requires repair, if he did this unintentionally, he may consume the produce, as it has been tithed and rendered fit for consumption. But if he did this intentionally, he may not consume it. Apparently, the Sages did not penalize the unintentional offender due to an intentional offender, although tithing produce on Shabbat is prohibited by rabbinic law. The Gemara answers: How can these cases be compared? There, the man intends to do a worthy deed and repair the produce by tithing it; should we arise and penalize him? As above, Rabbi Meir would agree that in such a case the unintentional offender is not penalized.
Приди и послушай: отделяющий десятину в субботу: по неосторожности — можно есть, умышленно — нельзя есть. Как можно это сравнивать?! Там — человек намеревается исправить [сделать годным для еды], и мы будем его штрафовать?!
תָּא שְׁמַע: הַמַּטְבִּיל כֵּלִים בַּשַּׁבָּת; בְּשׁוֹגֵג – יִשְׁתַּמֵּשׁ בָּהֶן, בְּמֵזִיד – לֹא יִשְׁתַּמֵּשׁ בָּהֶן! הָכִי הַשְׁתָּא?! הָתָם – גַּבְרָא לְטַהוֹרֵי מָאנֵי קָא מִיכַּוֵּין, אֲנַן לֵיקוּם וְלִיקְנְסֵיהּ?!
The Gemara brings yet another proof: Come and hear what was taught in that same mishna (Terumot 2:3): With regard to one who immerses utensils in a ritual bath on Shabbat, which is also prohibited by the Sages because it appears as if he were repairing an article that requires repair, if he immerses them unintentionally, he may use them. But if he immerses them intentionally, he may not use them. Here too the Sages did not penalize the unintentional offender due to an intentional offender. The Gemara answers as before: How can these cases be compared? There, the man intends to do a praiseworthy act and purify the utensils; should we arise and penalize him? The same distinction stated previously applies in this mishna as well.
Приди и послушай: окунающий сосуды [в микву] в субботу: по неосторожности — можно ими пользоваться, умышленно — нельзя ими пользоваться! Как можно это сравнивать?! Там — человек намеревается очистить сосуды, и мы будем его штрафовать?!
וְרָמֵי דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אַדְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה – בִּדְרַבָּנַן, דְּתַנְיָא:
The Gemara discusses the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda: And they raised a contradiction between one statement of Rabbi Yehuda and another statement of Rabbi Yehuda with regard to matters that are prohibited only by rabbinic law. As it is taught in a baraita:
И сопоставляют [слова] рабби Йеѓуды с [другими словами] рабби Йеѓуды — в [запрете] мудрецов (де-раббанан), ибо учили в барайте: