Megillah / Daf 22

דף 22

talmud-megillah:22b

Display Settings

Font Size
Text Width
Line Spacing
Columns

Bookmarks

מִיפָּק לָא נָפְקִי.
but they would not leave early, out of deference to Rav, and therefore it was not necessary for him to recite a blessing after he finished his portion. In any event, the incident with Rav does not provide conclusive proof as to the number of readers on a public fast day.
а выходящие не выходили.
תָּא שְׁמַע, זֶה הַכְּלָל: כֹּל שֶׁיֵּשׁ בּוֹ בִּיטּוּל מְלָאכָה לָעָם, כְּגוֹן תַּעֲנִית צִבּוּר וְתִשְׁעָה בְּאָב — קוֹרִין שְׁלֹשָׁה,
The Gemara tries to adduce another proof: Come and hear the following baraita: This is the general principle: Any day on which labor is permitted and prolonging the prayer service would constitute a deprivation of labor for the masses, for example, a public fast day and the Ninth of Av, only three people read from the Torah, so as not to lengthen the prayer service unnecessarily.
Услышь: вот правило — каждый [день], в который есть отмена работы для народа, как общественный пост и Девятое Ава — читают трое.
וְשֶׁאֵין בּוֹ בִּיטּוּל מְלָאכָה לָעָם, כְּגוֹן רָאשֵׁי חֳדָשִׁים וְחוּלּוֹ שֶׁל מוֹעֵד — קוֹרִין אַרְבָּעָה. שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ.
But any day on which prolonging the prayer service would not constitute a deprivation of labor for the masses, for example, the days of the New Moon, when it is customary for women to refrain from work, and on the intermediate days of a Festival, when one may not perform labor unless refraining from labor will cause him to lose money, four people read from the Torah. The Gemara concludes: Indeed, learn from here that on a public fast day three people read from the Torah.
А в тот [день], в который нет отмены работы для народа, как новомесячья и полупраздничные дни — читают четверо. Следует из этого [что в пост — трое].
אָמַר רַב אָשֵׁי, וְהָא אֲנַן לָא תְּנַן הָכִי: זֶה הַכְּלָל, כׇּל יוֹם שֶׁיֵּשׁ בּוֹ מוּסָף וְאֵינוֹ יוֹם טוֹב — קוֹרִין אַרְבָּעָה. לְאֵתוֹיֵי מַאי? לָאו לְאֵתוֹיֵי תַּעֲנִית צִיבּוּר וְתִשְׁעָה בְּאָב!
Rav Ashi said: Didn’t we learn in the mishna as follows: This is the principle: Any day on which there is an additional offering sacrificed in the Temple and it is not a Festival, four people read from the Torah? What is added by the formulation of this principle? Does it not come to add a public fast and the Ninth of Av, when there is an addition to the prayer service, and therefore four people read from the Torah?
Сказал Рав Аши: но ведь мы не учили так в Мишне: «Это общее правило: в любой день, когда есть Мусаф, но это не праздничный день — читают четверо». Что это призвано включить? Не призвано ли это включить общественный пост и Тиша бе-Ав!
וּלְרַב אָשֵׁי מַתְנִיתִין מַנִּי? לָא תַּנָּא קַמָּא וְלָא רַבִּי יוֹסֵי, דְּתַנְיָא: חָל לִהְיוֹת בְּשֵׁנִי וּבַחֲמִישִׁי — קוֹרִין שְׁלֹשָׁה וּמַפְטִיר אֶחָד. בִּשְׁלִישִׁי וּבִרְבִיעִי — קוֹרֵא אֶחָד וּמַפְטִיר אֶחָד. רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: לְעוֹלָם קוֹרִין שְׁלֹשָׁה וּמַפְטִיר אֶחָד!
The Gemara asks: But according to Rav Ashi, who is the tanna of the mishna? It is not the first tanna of the following baraita and not Rabbi Yosei. As it is taught in a baraita: If the Ninth of Av occurs on a Monday or a Thursday, days on which there is always a Torah reading, three people read from the Torah. And the last one of them concludes with a reading from the Prophets [haftara]. If it falls on a Tuesday or a Wednesday, one person reads from the Torah, and the same one concludes with a reading from the Prophets. Rabbi Yosei said: Three people always read from the Torah on the Ninth of Av, and the last one concludes with a reading from the Prophets. All agree that no more than three people read from the Torah on the Ninth of Av and other public fast days.
А по Раву Аши, чьему мнению следует Мишна? Ни первому таннаю и ни рабби Йосе. Ибо учили в барайте: если [Тиша бе-Ав] выпал на понедельник или четверг — читают трое, а один завершает афтарой. Во вторник или среду — читает один, а один завершает афтарой. Рабби Йосе говорит: всегда читают трое, а один завершает афтарой.
וְאֶלָּא, קַשְׁיָא ״זֶה הַכְּלָל״! לָא, לְאֵתוֹיֵי רֹאשׁ חוֹדֶשׁ וּמוֹעֵד.
The Gemara responds: However, if only three people read from the Torah on these days, the statement: This is the principle, is difficult, as the mishna has already specifically mentioned every case included in the principle. The Gemara explains: No, it is not difficult; it comes to add the New Moon and the intermediate days of a Festival.
Но тогда, возникает трудность с выражением «это общее правило»! Нет, оно призвано включить Рош Ходеш и Моэд.
הָא בְּהֶדְיָא קָתָנֵי לַהּ: בְּרָאשֵׁי חֳדָשִׁים וּמוֹעֵד קוֹרִין אַרְבָּעָה!
The Gemara challenges this explanation: Aren’t these days taught explicitly in the mishna: On the New Moon and on the intermediate days of a Festival, four people read from the Torah?
Но ведь это явно учится в Мишне: «В Рош Ходеш и в Моэд читают четверо»!
סִימָנָא בְּעָלְמָא יָהֵיב, דְּלָא תֵּימָא יוֹם טוֹב וְחוּלּוֹ שֶׁל מוֹעֵד כִּי הֲדָדֵי נִינְהוּ, אֶלָּא נְקוֹט הַאי כְּלָלָא בִּידָךְ: כֹּל דְּטָפֵי לֵיהּ מִילְּתָא מֵחַבְרֵיהּ, טָפֵי לֵיהּ גַּבְרָא יַתִּירָא.
The Gemara answers: The principle was not intended to add to what is stated explicitly in the mishna. The mishna merely gives a mnemonic by which to remember the number of readers on each day. It expresses the following: Do not say that a Festival and the intermediate days of the Festival are the same with regard to their sanctity, and therefore the same numbers of readers are called to the Torah on these days. Rather, hold this rule firmly in your hand: On any day when there is an additional element of the laws of the day, an extra person is added to the number of those who read from the Torah.
[Мишна] лишь даёт опознавательный признак, чтобы ты не сказал, что праздничный день и Холь а-Моэд равнозначны. Но запомни это правило: всякий раз, когда у дня есть дополнительное отличие от другого, ему добавляется ещё один чтец.
הִלְכָּךְ בְּרֹאשׁ חוֹדֶשׁ וּמוֹעֵד, דְּאִיכָּא קׇרְבַּן מוּסָף — קוֹרִין אַרְבָּעָה. בְּיוֹם טוֹב, דְּאָסוּר בַּעֲשִׂיַּית מְלָאכָה — חֲמִשָּׁה. בְּיוֹם הַכִּפּוּרִים, דְּעָנוּשׁ כָּרֵת — שִׁשָּׁה. שַׁבָּת, דְּאִיכָּא אִיסּוּר סְקִילָה — שִׁבְעָה.
Therefore, on the New Moon and the intermediate days of a Festival, when there is an additional offering, four people read from the Torah. On a Festival, when it is prohibited to perform labor, five people read from the Torah. On Yom Kippur, when performance of prohibited labor is punishable by karet, six people read from the Torah. On Shabbat, when there is a prohibition to perform labor that is punishable by stoning, seven people read.
Поэтому в Рош Ходеш и Моэд, когда есть дополнительная жертва Мусаф — читают четверо. В праздничный день, когда запрещено совершать работу — пятеро. В Йом Кипур, когда наказывается каретом — шестеро. В Шабат, когда есть запрет под угрозой побивания камнями — семеро.
גּוּפַהּ: רַב אִיקְּלַע לְבָבֶל בְּתַעֲנִית צִבּוּר, קָם קְרָא בְּסִפְרָא. פְּתַח בָּרֵיךְ, חֲתַם וְלָא בָּרֵיךְ. נְפוּל כּוּלֵּי עָלְמָא אַאַנְפַּיְיהוּ וְרַב לָא נְפַל עַל אַנְפֵּיהּ. מַאי טַעְמָא רַב לָא נְפַל עַל אַפֵּיהּ?
The Gemara cited an incident involving Rav, and now it returns to examine the matter itself. Rav once happened to come to Babylonia on a public fast. He stood and read from a Torah scroll. When he began to read, he recited a blessing, but when he concluded, he did not recite a blessing. Everyone else fell on their faces, i.e., bowed down on the floor, during the taḥanun supplication, as was the custom, but Rav did not fall on his face. The Gemara asks: What is the reason that Rav did not fall on his face?
Возвращаясь к самому тексту: Рав прибыл в Вавилон в день общественного поста, встал и читал из свитка Торы. Открывая, он произнёс благословение, а завершая — не произнёс благословения. Все пали ниц [в молитве], но Рав не пал ниц. Почему Рав не пал ниц?
רִצְפָּה שֶׁל אֲבָנִים הָיְתָה, וְתַנְיָא: ״וְאֶבֶן מַשְׂכִּית לֹא תִתְּנוּ בְּאַרְצְכֶם לְהִשְׁתַּחֲוֹת עָלֶיהָ״. ״עָלֶיהָ״ אִי אַתָּה מִשְׁתַּחֲוֶה בְּאַרְצְכֶם, אֲבָל אַתָּה מִשְׁתַּחֲוֶה עַל אֲבָנִים שֶׁל בֵּית הַמִּקְדָּשׁ. כִּדְעוּלָּא, דְּאָמַר עוּלָּא: לֹא אָסְרָה תּוֹרָה אֶלָּא רִצְפָּה שֶׁל אֲבָנִים בִּלְבָד.
The Gemara answers: It was a stone floor, and it was taught in a baraita with regard to the verse: “Nor shall you install any figured stone in your land, to bow down upon it” (Leviticus 26:1), that, upon it, i.e., any type of figured stone, you shall not bow down in your land, i.e., anywhere in your land other than in the Temple; but you shall bow down upon the stones of the Temple. This is in accordance with the opinion of Ulla, as Ulla said: The Torah prohibited bowing down only upon a stone floor.
Потому что там был каменный пол, а учили в барайте: «И каменной подстилки не кладите в земле вашей, чтобы поклоняться на ней» (Вайикра 26:1). «На ней» — нельзя поклоняться в земле вашей, но можно поклоняться на камнях Храма. Как сказал Ула, ибо сказал Ула: Тора запретила только каменный пол.
אִי הָכִי מַאי אִירְיָא רַב, אֲפִילּוּ כּוּלְּהוּ נָמֵי! קַמֵּיהּ דְּרַב הֲוַאי.
The Gemara asks: If so, why was it specifically Rav who did not bow down? All of the other people present were also prohibited from bowing down on the stone floor. The Gemara answers: The stone section of the floor was only in front of Rav, as the rest of the floor was not paved.
Если так, почему только Рав? Ведь и всем остальным тоже [запрещено]! [Каменный пол] был перед Равом [а не под остальными].
וְלֵיזִיל לְגַבֵּי צִיבּוּרָא וְלִינְפּוֹל עַל אַפֵּיהּ! לָא בָּעֵי (ל)מַיטְרַח צִיבּוּרָא. וְאִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא: רַב פִּישּׁוּט יָדַיִם וְרַגְלַיִם הֲוָה עָבֵיד, וְכִדְעוּלָּא. דְּאָמַר עוּלָּא: לָא אָסְרָה תּוֹרָה אֶלָּא פִּישּׁוּט יָדַיִם וְרַגְלַיִם בִּלְבַד.
The Gemara comments: If so, Rav should have gone to where the rest of the congregation was standing and fallen on his face there. The Gemara responds: He did not want to trouble the congregation to make room for him. And if you wish, say the following: Rav would stretch out his arms and legs and fully prostrate himself on the ground, whereas the others would merely bend their bodies as a symbolic gesture but would not prostrate themselves on the ground. And this is in accordance with the opinion of Ulla, as Ulla said: The Torah prohibited bowing down upon a stone floor only when it is done with outstretched arms and legs.
Но пусть он пойдёт к общине и падёт ниц! Он не хотел утруждать общину. А если хочешь, скажи: Рав совершал простирание рук и ног [полный поклон], и как сказал Ула. Ибо сказал Ула: Тора запретила только простирание рук и ног.
וְלִיפּוֹל עַל אַפֵּיהּ, וְלָא לֶיעְבֵּיד פִּישּׁוּט יָדַיִם וְרַגְלַיִם! לָא מְשַׁנֵּי מִמִּנְהֲגֵיהּ.
The Gemara challenges this response: Rav should have fallen on his face without stretching out his arms and legs. The Gemara answers: He did not want to change his usual custom of full prostration, and where he was standing he could not fully prostrate himself in his usual manner because there the floor was of stone.
Но пусть он падёт ниц, но не совершает простирания рук и ног! Он не менял своего обычая.
וְאִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא: אָדָם חָשׁוּב שָׁאנֵי, כִּדְרַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר. דְּאָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר: אֵין אָדָם חָשׁוּב רַשַּׁאי לִיפּוֹל עַל פָּנָיו אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן נַעֲנֶה כִּיהוֹשֻׁעַ בִּן נוּן, דִּכְתִיב: ״וַיֹּאמֶר ה׳ אֶל יְהוֹשֻׁעַ קוּם לָךְ [וְגוֹ׳]״.
And if you wish, say a different reason as to why Rav did not fall on his face: An important person is different, in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Elazar, as Rabbi Elazar said: An important person is not permitted to fall on his face in public unless he knows that he will be answered like Joshua bin Nun in his time, as it is written: “And the Lord said to Joshua: Get up; why do you lie upon your face?” (Joshua 7:10). It is a disgrace for a distinguished person to fall on his face and have his prayers unanswered. Consequently, Rav did not prostrate himself in public.
А если хочешь, скажи: значительный человек — это другое, как сказал рабби Элазар. Ибо сказал рабби Элазар: значительный человек не вправе падать ниц [в молитве], если только ему не отвечают [с небес], как Иегошуа бин Нуну, ибо написано: «И сказал Господь Иегошуа: встань» (Иегошуа 7:10).
תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: קִידָּה — עַל אַפַּיִם, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: ״וַתִּקֹּד בַּת שֶׁבַע אַפַּיִם אֶרֶץ״. כְּרִיעָה — עַל בִּרְכַּיִם, וְכֵן הוּא אוֹמֵר: ״מִכְּרוֹעַ עַל בִּרְכָּיו״. הִשְׁתַּחֲוָאָה — זוֹ פִּישּׁוּט יָדַיִם וְרַגְלַיִם, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: ״הֲבוֹא נָבוֹא אֲנִי וְאִמְּךָ וְאַחֶיךָ לְהִשְׁתַּחֲוֹת לְךָ אָרְצָה״.
Apropos Rav’s practice of prostrating himself, the Gemara continues with a discussion of different forms of bowing. The Sages taught in a baraita: The term kidda indicates falling upon one’s face, with one’s face toward the ground, as it is stated: “Then Bathsheba bowed [vatikod] with her face to the ground” (I Kings 1:31). Keria means bowing upon one’s knees, as it is stated with regard to Solomon: He finished praying and “he rose from before the altar of the Lord, from kneeling [mikkeroa] upon his knees” (I Kings 8:54). Finally, hishtaḥava’a, that is bowing with one’s arms and legs spread in total submission, as it is stated that Jacob asked, in response to Joseph’s dream: “Shall I and your mother and your brothers indeed come to bow down [lehishtaḥavot] to you to the ground?” (Genesis 37:10).
Учили мудрецы: кида — это [поклон] лицом [к земле], ибо сказано: «И склонилась Бат-Шева лицом к земле» (Млахим I 1:31). Криа — это на колени, и так сказано: «От коленопреклонения на колени свои» (Млахим I 8:54). Хиштахавая — это простирание рук и ног, ибо сказано: «Неужели придём я и мать твоя и братья твои, чтобы поклониться тебе до земли» (Берешит 37:10).
לֵוִי אַחְוִי קִידָּה קַמֵּיהּ דְּרַבִּי, וְאִיטְּלַע.
The Gemara relates that Levi once demonstrated the form of kidda that was performed by the High Priest before Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi. This bowing was especially difficult, as it involved bending from the waist until his head reached the ground, supporting his body with his thumbs, and then rising at once. In the course of his demonstration, Levi dislocated his hip and became lame.
Леви показал киду перед Ребби и охромел.
וְהָא (קָא) גְּרַמָא לֵיהּ? וְהָאָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר: לְעוֹלָם אַל יָטִיחַ אָדָם דְּבָרִים כְּלַפֵּי מַעְלָה, שֶׁהֲרֵי אָדָם גָּדוֹל הֵטִיחַ דְּבָרִים כְּלַפֵּי מַעְלָה וְאִיטְּלַע וּמַנּוּ — לֵוִי. הָא וְהָא גְּרַמָא לֵיהּ.
The Gemara asks: Was it this that caused Levi to become lame? Didn’t Rabbi Elazar say: A person should never speak impertinently toward God on High, as a great man once spoke impertinently toward God on High and he became lame? And who was he? Levi. The reason Levi became lame was because of the way he spoke to God (see Ta’anit 25a), not due to having performed kidda. The Gemara answers: Both this and that caused Levi to become lame. Since he spoke impertinently toward God, he was worthy of punishment, and he therefore suffered an injury while exerting himself to perform kidda.
И разве это стало причиной? Но ведь сказал рабби Элазар: никогда не следует человеку бросать дерзкие слова вверх [против Небес], ибо великий человек бросил дерзкие слова вверх и охромел, и кто это — Леви. И то и другое стало причиной.
אָמַר רַב חִיָּיא בַּר אָבִין: חֲזֵינָא לְהוּ לְאַבָּיֵי
On the topic of bowing, Rav Ḥiyya bar Avin said: I saw Abaye
Сказал Рав Хия бар Авин: я видел, как Абайе