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בְּיוֹם אֶחָד אוֹ בְּאַרְבָּעָה יָמִים — אֵין זֶה דֶּבֶר.
If all three died on one day or over four days, this is not a plague of pestilence.
В один день или за четыре дня — это не мор.
דְּרוֹקֶרֶת, עִיר הַמּוֹצִיאָה חֲמֵשׁ מֵאוֹת רַגְלִי הֲוַאי, וְיָצְאוּ מִמֶּנָּה שְׁלֹשָׁה מֵתִים בְּיוֹם אֶחָד. גְּזַר רַב נַחְמָן בַּר רַב חִסְדָּא תַּעֲנִיתָא. אֲמַר רַב נַחְמָן בַּר יִצְחָק: כְּמַאן — כְּרַבִּי מֵאִיר,
In explanation of the counterintuitive ruling that many deaths in one day is not indicative of a plague, the Gemara relates: Drokart was a city that sent out five hundred infantrymen, and three dead were removed from it on one day. Rav Naḥman bar Rav Ḥisda decreed a fast on account of the plague. Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said: In accordance with whose opinion did you declare this fast? It must be in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Meir.
Дрокерет — город, выставляющий пятьсот пеших, и вышли из него три мертвеца в один день. Рав Нахман бар рав Хисда назначил пост. Сказал рав Нахман бар Ицхак: Как кто? Как рабби Меир,
דְּאָמַר: רִיחֵק נְגִיחוֹתָיו — חַיָּיב, קֵירַב נְגִיחוֹתָיו — לֹא כׇּל שֶׁכֵּן?!
This is related to the definition of a forewarned ox, an animal that has gored enough times to be considered a dangerous beast that requires careful supervision, as Rabbi Meir said: The owner of an ox is liable to pay full damages if its acts of goring were separated, i.e., if it gored three times on three consecutive days, as claimed by the Rabbis. If its acts of goring were near each other, performed on a single day, is it not all the more so that this animal should be classified as a forewarned ox? However, Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak continued, this represents a minority opinion. Just as Rabbi Meir’s reasoning is rejected for halakha in the case of an ox, so too it is rejected with regard to a plague.
который сказал: если при редких бодках — виновен, то при частых бодках — тем более!
אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב נַחְמָן בַּר רַב חִסְדָּא לְרַב נַחְמָן בַּר יִצְחָק: לֵיקוּם מָר לֵיתֵי לְגַבַּן. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: תְּנֵינָא, רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: לֹא מְקוֹמוֹ שֶׁל אָדָם מְכַבְּדוֹ, אֶלָּא אָדָם מְכַבֵּד אֶת מְקוֹמוֹ. שֶׁכֵּן מָצִינוּ בְּהַר סִינַי, שֶׁכׇּל זְמַן שֶׁהַשְּׁכִינָה שְׁרוּיָה עָלָיו, אָמְרָה תּוֹרָה: ״גַּם הַצֹּאן וְהַבָּקָר אַל יִרְעוּ אֶל מוּל הָהָר הַהוּא״, נִסְתַּלְּקָה שְׁכִינָה מִמֶּנּוּ, אָמְרָה תּוֹרָה: ״בִּמְשֹׁךְ הַיֹּבֵל הֵמָּה יַעֲלוּ בָהָר״.
Upon hearing this impressive argument, Rav Naḥman bar Rav Ḥisda said to Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak: Let the Master arise and come to live with us as our community leader. Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said to him: We already learned in a baraita that Rabbi Yosei says: It is not the place of a person that honors him; rather, the person honors his place, as we found with regard to Mount Sinai, that as long as the Divine Presence rested upon it, the Torah said: “Neither let the flocks nor the herds feed before that mount” (Exodus 34:3). Once the Divine Presence departed from the mountain, the Torah said: “When the shofar sounds long they shall come up to the mount” (Exodus 19:13). This indicates that the sanctity was not inherent to the place but was due to the Divine Presence resting there.
Сказал рав Нахман бар рав Хисда раву Нахману бар Ицхаку: Пусть господин встанет и придёт к нам. Сказал ему: Мы учили: рабби Йоси говорит: Не место почитает человека, а человек почитает своё место. Ибо мы находим это относительно горы Синай: всё время, пока Шхина пребывала на ней, Тора сказала: «Даже мелкий и крупный скот пусть не пасётся напротив горы той» (Шмот 34:3). Когда Шхина удалилась с неё, Тора сказала: «Когда протрубит рог, они взойдут на гору» (Шмот 19:13).
וְכֵן מָצִינוּ בְּאֹהֶל מוֹעֵד שֶׁבַּמִּדְבָּר, שֶׁכׇּל זְמַן שֶׁהוּא נָטוּי אָמְרָה תּוֹרָה: ״וִישַׁלְּחוּ מִן הַמַּחֲנֶה כׇּל צָרוּעַ״, הוּגְלְלוּ הַפָּרוֹכוֹת — הוּתְּרוּ זָבִין וּמְצוֹרָעִים לִיכָּנֵס שָׁם.
And we likewise found with regard to the Tent of Meeting that was in the wilderness, that whenever it was erected, the Torah said: “That they put out of the camp every leper” (Numbers 5:2). Once the curtain was rolled up and the Tent of Meeting was prepared for travel, zavim and lepers were permitted to enter the place where it had stood. The place itself had no intrinsic sanctity; rather, it was sacred only because the Divine Presence was there. Accordingly, Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak maintained that there is no reason for him to move places to receive honor.
И также мы находим это относительно Шатра собрания в пустыне: всё время, пока он был установлен, Тора сказала: «И пусть вышлют из стана всякого прокажённого» (Бемидбар 5:2). Когда были свёрнуты завесы — зав и прокажённые получали разрешение входить туда.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִי הָכִי, נֵיקוּם אֲנָא לְגַבֵּי מָר. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: מוּטָב יָבֹא מָנֶה בֶּן פְּרָס אֵצֶל מָנֶה בֶּן מָנֶה, וְאַל יָבֹא מָנֶה בֶּן מָנֶה אֵצֶל מָנֶה בֶּן פְּרָס.
Rav Naḥman bar Rav Ḥisda said to Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak: If so, let me arise and come to the Master, to learn Torah from you. Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said to him: It is better that one hundred dinars that is the son of a peras, fifty dinars, should come to one hundred dinars that is the son of one hundred dinars; but one hundred dinars that is the son of one hundred dinars, should not come to one hundred dinars that is the son of a peras. In other words, although Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak was a learned scholar, comparable to one hundred dinars, it was nevertheless more appropriate for him to come to Rav Naḥman bar Rav Ḥisda. Whereas Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak was the son of a peras, an ordinary man, Rav Naḥman bar Rav Ḥisda was the son of a scholar.
Сказал ему: Если так, я встану и приду к господину. Сказал ему: Лучше, чтобы мина, сын полумины, пришёл к мине, сыну мины, а не мина, сын мины, пришёл к мине, сыну полумины.
בְּסוּרָא הֲווֹת דְּבַרְתָּא, בְּשִׁיבָבוּתֵיהּ דְּרַב לָא הֲווֹת דְּבַרְתָּא. סְבוּר מִינַּהּ, מִשּׁוּם זְכוּתֵיהּ דְּרַב דִּנְפִישׁ. אִיתְחֲזִי לְהוּ בְּחֶילְמָא: רַב דִּנְפִישָׁא זְכוּתֵיהּ טוּבָא — הָא מִילְּתָא זוּטְרָא לֵיהּ לְרַב. אֶלָּא, מִשּׁוּם הָהוּא גַּבְרָא דִּמְשַׁיֵּיל מָרָא וּזְבִילָא לִקְבוּרָה.
The Gemara relates another story involving a plague: Once there was a plague of pestilence in Sura, but in the neighborhood of Rav there was no pestilence. The people therefore thought that this was due to Rav’s great merit. However, it was revealed to them in a dream that Rav’s merit was too great and this matter too small for the merit of Rav to be involved. Rather, his neighborhood was spared due to the acts of kindness of a certain man, who would lend his hoe [mara] and shovel [zevila] to prepare sites for burial.
В Суре был мор, но в окрестностях Рава мора не было. Полагали, что это благодаря заслугам Рава, которые велики. Показали им во сне: заслуга Рава велика чрезмерно — это дело для Рава мало. Но это благодаря тому человеку, который одалживает лопату и корзину для погребения.
בִּדְרוֹקֶרֶת הֲווֹת דְּלֵיקְתָּא, וּבְשִׁיבָבוּתֵיהּ דְּרַב הוּנָא לָא הֲווֹת דְּלֵיקְתָּא. סְבוּר מִינַּהּ, בִּזְכוּתָא דְּרַב הוּנָא דִּנְפִישׁ. אִיתְחֲזִי לְהוּ בְּחֶילְמָא: הַאי זוּטְרָא לֵיהּ לְרַב הוּנָא, אֶלָּא מִשּׁוּם הָהִיא אִיתְּתָא דִּמְחַמְּמָא תַּנּוּרָא וּמְשַׁיְּילָא לְשִׁיבָבוּתַיהּ.
The Gemara relates a similar incident. In Drokart there was a fire, but in the neighborhood of Rav Huna there was no fire. The people therefore thought that this was due to Rav Huna’s great merit. It was revealed to them in a dream that this matter was too small for the merit of Rav Huna to have played a role. Rather, it was due to a certain woman who heats her oven and lends it, i.e., the use of her oven, to her neighbors.
В Дрокерет был пожар, а в окрестностях рава Уны пожара не было. Полагали, что благодаря заслугам рава Уны, которые велики. Показали им во сне: это для рава Уны мало, но благодаря той женщине, которая топит печь и одалживает её своим соседкам.
אֲמַרוּ לֵיהּ לְרַב יְהוּדָה: אֲתוֹ קַמְצֵי. גְּזַר תַּעֲנִיתָא. אֲמַרוּ לֵיהּ: לָא קָא מַפְסְדָן. אֲמַר לְהוּ: זְווֹדֵא אַיְיתוֹ בַּהֲדַיְיהוּ?
They said to Rav Yehuda: Locusts have come to our region. Rav Yehuda decreed a fast. They said to him: They are not destroying anything, as they are eating only a little. He said to them: Have they brought provisions with them, that they have something else to eat? Even if they are not damaging your crops now, they will certainly eat them soon.
Сказали раву Йеуде: Пришла саранча. Назначил пост. Сказали ему: Она не вредит. Сказал им: А провиант они принесли с собой?
אֲמַרוּ לֵיהּ לְרַב יְהוּדָה: אִיכָּא מוֹתָנָא בַּחֲזִירֵי. גְּזַר תַּעֲנִיתָא. נֵימָא קָסָבַר רַב יְהוּדָה מַכָּה מְשׁוּלַּחַת מִמִּין אֶחָד מְשׁוּלַּחַת מִכׇּל הַמִּינִין? לָא, שָׁאנֵי חֲזִירֵי — דְּדׇמְיָין מְעַיְיהוּ לִבְנֵי אִינָשֵׁי.
On another occasion, they said to Rav Yehuda: There is pestilence among the pigs. Rav Yehuda decreed a fast. The Gemara asks: Let us say that Rav Yehuda maintains that a plague affecting one species will come to affect all species, and that is why he decreed a fast. The Gemara answers: No, in other cases there is no cause for concern. However, pigs are different, as their intestines are similar to those of humans. Consequently, their disease might spread to people.
Сказали раву Йеуде: Есть мор среди свиней. Назначил пост. Скажем ли мы, что рав Йеуда считает: бедствие, насланное на один вид, наслано на все виды? Нет, свиньи отличаются тем, что внутренности их подобны внутренностям людей.
אֲמַרוּ לֵיהּ לִשְׁמוּאֵל: אִיכָּא מוֹתָנָא בֵּי חוֹזָאֵי. גְּזַר תַּעֲנִיתָא. אָמְרִי לֵיהּ: וְהָא מְרַחַק! אֲמַר: לֵיכָּא מַעְבָּרָא הָכָא דְּפָסֵיק לֵיהּ.
They said to Shmuel: There is pestilence in the region of Bei Ḥozai, which is quite a distance from Babylonia. Shmuel decreed a fast. They said to him: But it is far from here. He said: There is no crossing here that will stop the pestilence, and therefore there is cause for concern that it will reach us.
Сказали Шмуэлю: Есть мор в Бей-Хозаэ. Назначил пост. Сказали ему: Ведь это далеко! Сказал: Нет переправы здесь, которая преграждала бы ему путь.
אֲמַרוּ לֵיהּ לְרַב נַחְמָן: אִיכָּא מוֹתָנָא בְּאַרְעָא דְיִשְׂרָאֵל. גְּזַר תַּעֲנִיתָא אֲמַר: אִם גְּבִירָה לוֹקָה, שִׁפְחָה לֹא כׇּל שֶׁכֵּן!
They said to Rav Naḥman: There is pestilence in Eretz Yisrael. Rav Naḥman decreed a fast in Babylonia, saying: If the lady of the house, i.e., Eretz Yisrael, is afflicted, is it not all the more so that the maidservant, Babylonia, will be afflicted?
Сказали раву Нахману: Есть мор в Земле Израиля. Назначил пост, сказал: Если госпожа бита — служанка тем более!
טַעְמָא דִּגְבִירָה וְשִׁפְחָה, הָא שִׁפְחָה וְשִׁפְחָה — לָא. וְהָא אֲמַרוּ לֵיהּ לִשְׁמוּאֵל: אִיכָּא מוֹתָנָא בֵּי חוֹזָאֵי, גְּזַר תַּעֲנִיתָא! שָׁאנֵי הָתָם, כֵּיוָן דְּאִיכָּא שַׁיָּירָתָא דְּלַוִּוי וְאָתְיָא בַּהֲדֵיהּ.
The Gemara asks: The reason for this ruling is apparently only because Eretz Yisrael is a lady in comparison to the Diaspora, which is likened to a maidservant. It may be inferred from this that in a case involving a maidservant and a maidservant, i.e., two places in the Diaspora, there is no reason to fast. But in the previous story, when they said to Shmuel: There is pestilence in the region of Bei Ḥozai, he decreed a fast in Neharde’a, despite the fact that Neharde’a is not considered a lady with respect to Bei Ḥozai. The Gemara answers: It is different there. Since there are caravans that regularly travel from Bei Ḥozai to Neharde’a, the pestilence will join and accompany them in the caravans.
Именно потому что госпожа и служанка, но если служанка и служанка — нет. Но ведь сказали Шмуэлю: Есть мор в Бей-Хозаэ, и он назначил пост! Там иное, ибо есть караваны, которые часто приходят оттуда.
אַבָּא אוּמָּנָא הֲוָה אָתֵי לֵיהּ שְׁלָמָא מִמְּתִיבְתָּא דִּרְקִיעָא כֹּל יוֹמָא, וּלְאַבָּיֵי כֹּל מַעֲלֵי יוֹמָא דְּשַׁבְּתָא, לְרָבָא כֹּל מַעֲלֵי יוֹמָא דְכִיפּוּרֵי. הֲוָה קָא חָלְשָׁא דַּעְתֵּיהּ דְּאַבָּיֵי מִשּׁוּם דְּאַבָּא אוּמָּנָא. אֲמַרוּ לֵיהּ: לָא מָצֵית לְמִיעְבַּד כְּעוֹבָדֵיהּ.
§ Apropos the above stories that deal with the merits of ordinary people, the Gemara relates: Abba the Bloodletter would receive greetings from the yeshiva on High every day, and Abaye would receive these greetings every Shabbat eve, and Rava would receive greetings only once a year on Yom Kippur eve. Abaye was distressed due to Abba the Bloodletter, as he did not understand why Abba received greater honor than he did. They said to him: You are unable to perform what he does, and therefore you do not merit the same honor.
Абба-лекарь получал привет из небесной академии каждый день, а Абайе — каждый канун субботы, а Рава — каждый канун Йом-Кипура. Расстраивался Абайе из-за Аббы-лекаря. Сказали ему: Ты не можешь делать подобно его деяниям.
וּמַאי הֲווֹ עוֹבָדֵיהּ דְּאַבָּא אוּמָּנָא — דְּכִי הֲוָה עָבֵיד מִילְּתָא, הֲוָה מַחֵית גַּבְרֵי לְחוֹד וְנָשֵׁי לְחוֹד, וְאִית לֵיהּ לְבוּשָׁא דְּאִית בֵּיהּ קַרְנָא דַּהֲווֹת בְּזִיעָא כִּי כוּסִילְתָּא. כִּי הֲווֹת אָתְיָא לֵיהּ אִיתְּתָא, הֲוָה מַלְבֵּישׁ לָהּ כִּי הֵיכִי דְּלָא נִיסְתַּכַּל בָּהּ. וְאִית לֵיהּ דּוּכְתָּא דִּצְנִיעָא דְּשָׁדֵי בֵּיהּ פְּשִׁיטֵי דְּשָׁקֵיל, דְּאִית לֵיהּ — שָׁדֵי בֵּיהּ, דְּלֵית לֵיהּ — לָא מִיכְּסִיף.
The Gemara asks: And what were these righteous deeds of Abba the Bloodletter? The Gemara explains that when he would perform a matter of bloodletting, he would bring in men separately from women, for reasons of modesty. And he had a special garment that had a slit in the place of the incision [kusilta] where the bloodletting instrument was inserted. When a woman came to him, he would have her dress in that garment, so that he would not see her exposed. And furthermore, he had a hidden place where he worked, where customers would place the coins [peshitei] that he would take as his fee. In this manner, one who had money would throw it there, while one who did not have money was not embarrassed.
И каковы были деяния Аббы-лекаря? Когда он делал кровопускание, он помещал мужчин отдельно и женщин отдельно. И было у него одеяние с разрезом в виде ланцета. Когда приходила к нему женщина, он надевал на неё его, чтобы не смотреть на неё. И было у него укромное место, куда бросали монеты за плату: у кого есть — бросал туда, у кого нет — не стыдился.
כִּי הֲוָה אִתְרְמֵי לֵיהּ צוּרְבָּא מֵרַבָּנַן, אַגְרָא מִינֵּיהּ לָא שָׁקֵיל. וּבָתַר דְּקָאֵי, יָהֵיב לֵיהּ פְּשִׁיטֵי וַאֲמַר לֵיהּ: זִיל אַבְרִי נַפְשָׁךְ. יוֹמָא חַד שַׁדַּר אַבָּיֵי זוּגָא דְרַבָּנַן לְמִיבְדְּקֵיהּ. אוֹתְבִינְהוּ וְאֹכְלִינְהוּ וְאַשְׁקִינְהוּ וּמָךְ לְהוּ בִּיסְתַּרְקִי בְּלֵילְיָא.
When a Torah scholar came to him for bloodletting, he would take no pay from him, and after the scholar arose, Abba would give him money and say to him: Go and purchase food with this money to heal yourself, as it is important to eat healthy food after bloodletting. One day, Abaye sent a pair of Sages to investigate the extent of Abba the Bloodletter’s righteousness. Abba the Bloodletter sat them down, and gave them food to eat, and gave them something to drink. And at night he spread out mats [bistarkei] for them to sleep on.
Когда попадался ему учёный мудрец — он не брал с него платы. А после того как тот вставал, давал ему монеты и говорил ему: Пойди, подкрепи себя. Однажды Абайе послал двух мудрецов проверить его. Он усадил их, накормил, напоил и постелил им тюфяки на ночь.